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trial. i want to thank all the families ing with us.rst responders. i hope you have a great night. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- greta: can you imagine not getting to vote for something but having to pay for it? well, you might not have to imagine that at all. it looks like it's going to happen. to guess whom? to you. the latest proposal for health care reform includes a huge expansion of medicare. and that means if this passes, the states, yes, that means you, have to pick up a big part of the tab. so does your state have any money? and if it doesn't, any idea where your state is likely to look for that money? here's a tip. who better to ask about this whole issue than former arkansas governor mike huckabee. he's author of the book a simple christmas. i understand you're the host of a tv show. >> i'll be hosting this weekend another christmas show on the huckabee. greta: and we'll be watching.
>> of course we will. what else would people do on the weekends? greta: let's talk about this. i want you to explain for thus whole medicare. because the federal government's voting on it but it's not insignificant to governors. explain how it works. >> the reason that medicare matters to states because states don't pay directly to medicare. they pay to medicaid. however, most people do not understand that when a person is dual eligible, that's a term that means they both medicare and medicaid qualify. greta: that would be someone who doesn't have much money and who's 66 -- 66 years old. >> if you're 65 and older and also poor, even though your -- you're medicare eligible, medicaid is what you're actually covered under, not medicare. so if we drop the age to 55, at a time when people start getting a whole lot more health care than they did when they were 25 or 35 or 45, first of all, you have escalating health care costs in that age group. secondly any of those people who are under the medicaid threshold are going to be put
on the medicaid program. and states pay anywhere from 25% to 50% of that money which means that for some states, we're talking hundreds of millions of dollars of new obligation for which they are totally unprepared. greta: which of course is why that $300 million went to louisiana, why they were pushing for that because they have a poor population. and because they would get particularly hit hard on this. >> it would be devastated by it. and not just the poor states and not just the southern states. they certainly would. mississippi, arkansas, west virginia, louisiana, alabama. california. we'll take one in the teeth. $1 billion. maybe up to $3 billion in california. huge impact to states. california's already sucking air. they barely can pay their primary expenses to run the state on a day to day basis. greta: explain to me this. let's say that with medicare, not medicaid, medicare, let's say that they lower it to 55. who's actually paying for this? is it the federal government or
does the state have to pay for it? who pays for it? >> the federal government pays for medicare. greta: 100%. >> right. greta: so medicaid the governors get upset about. >> that's exactly right. but if that medicare person is poor, now you have a whole new generation, a 10-year window of people who are potentially medicaid that weren't medicaid before because all they have to do is meet the threshold of being poor. and if congress keeps taxing more and more americans, there are going to be a lot more poor people than we ever had before in that age bracket. greta: how is it different if a poor person whose medicare -- who is medicare and medicaid eligible and don't lower it but shows up at the emergency room, who's picking up that cost? >> usually the hospitals and the providers pick up a whole lot of it. there's a certain portion of what's called uncompensated care. different states deal with it differently. most states allocate some money to uncompensated care. but who ultimately pays for it, all the people who currently have insurance. so if pure an insurance person -- greta: or pay through your
taxes. you're going -- >> you're going to pay for it. greta: whether the person gets care at the emergency room without any sort of government option or medicaid or anything else, is everyone does sort of pull and pay for it somehow. >> sure. greta: so what's -- what's the -- you know, what's the rub basically? if you're going to pay for it nirway? >> the rub is at least under the current system there's a chance that there's a private sector insurance that's fighting for cost control and there's some competition. when people use the term "public option" i think it goes right past a lot of people because it sounds like what's the -- option is good, public is good, what's wrong with public option? public option really means government control. think government control, not public option. greta: ok. so there's all this discussion about public option. is medicare -- are both medicare and medicaid public options? >> they are both public options. greta: so we do an awful lot of playing around with these words and it gets confusing. >> government is still going to be paying for it but government
will have a big portion of what used to be private sector. here's one of the problems, greta, that we're going to have. currently there are a lot of doctors that don't want to take medicare patients. greta: because they don't get paid the full amount. and we stiff them a little bit on it. >> a whole lot. greta: we stitch the doctors which doesn't seem right, either. >> and a lot of doctors don't want to take those patients because they can't cover their expenses. if a doctor spends more than 15 minutes with you he's losing money and in some cases, particularly those in primary care dealing with diabetics you can't really train a diabetic how to manage his disease in 15 minutes. it can't be done. greta: so would you agree that we got to do something? >> something that's a good idea. greta: but you believe in reform. >> absolutely. greta: and you disagree with what is being batted around on capitol hill right now. >> totally disagree. greta: do you think that everyone should be at least eligible or we should take care of everybody? >> we can take care of everybody up to a point but we need to find out what "take care of" means. because here's one of the rubs.
if somebody is in an accident, should they get treatment? yes. somebody with cancer, should they be able to access medical care? yes. cosmetic surgery, i don't think so a hip or knee replaced not because it is medically necessary, it makes them more comfortable, that's questionable. greta: plastic surgery, that makes a lot of sense but what about the person who is grossly irresponsible and personal habits and we got -- get a lot of email but who gets grossly overweight and develops diabetes and develops all these. it's a slow personal responsibility issue. for many. not for everybody. >> here's the deal. 80% of all the medical costs in this country are the $2.5 trillion, 80%, chronic disease related. chronic disease. three primary behaviors cause it, overeating, underexercising and smoking. those three behaviors drive most chronic disease and they account for most of the money we spend on medical expenses. greta: what would you do in recognition that there's a problem?
tell me the huckabee program. >> separate the insured -- the uninsured from the uninsureable. there are people who are uninsureable. no fault of their own. greta: because of diseases or because they don't have the money? >> no. because of the diseases. greta: what about the -- >> developmental disabilities. greta: what about the uninsureable because they don't have the money? a lot of people that work. >> they can be covered. but here's what ought to happen. put them in a high risk pool and make sure they have some skin in the game and, give them incentives that it costs less if they take better care of themselves. they don't have to have perfect behavior but need to be developing behaviors that are less expensive and that are more responsible. and then they don't have to pay as much. greta: let me ask you a question. you got overweight. what happened? do you sign that responsibility yourself? >> yeah. it's not somebody else's responsibility. greta: how did that happen to you? >> when the doctor sent me down and told me if i didn't change my lifestyle aid decade to live i want a different exit strategy. and so i sat about to change some habits and behaviors. and i haven't had diabetic
symptoms in almost seven years now. greta: because the issue of the weight is a huge -- it's -- a lot of people, it's aesthetic for a lot of people. but it's really -- a real health issue. >> the key thing is not focusing solely on weight. that's one american problem. we need to look at health. look at the dashboard of your car. there are many gauges. weight is one of the gauges. it's not the only one. there's blood pressure, blood sugar, cholesterol, both hdl and adl. there are a whole lot of gauges on the dashboard fment build the cost of health care how well you're managing youren tire dashboard and not just one factor. that's an important part of true reform in the health care system. greta: where are you going to be tomorrow at 8:00 p.m.? >> hosterring the huckabee show and everybody in america will be watching. greta: i thought so. governor, thank you. >> thank you, greta. zphr word of advice to u.s. -- greta: word of advice to u.s. senators, senator sheldon whitehouse on the senate floor. zpwhrfpblgt the person who i think right now seems to characterize the leadership of the radicalized right wing that is running the republican party, rush limbaugh, is
telling the other side that they haven't been obstructive enough. greta: wow. no surprise. rush is fighting back. and he's taking as you might guess no prisoners. rush in his own words, minutes from now. and up next, remember this promise about health care? >> what we will do is we'll have the negotiations televised on c-span. greta: did the president break that promise or worse, is it the l word, lie? we're going to ask karl rove next. plus are president obama and governor sarah palin spending christmas together? now that's a political team we never would have expected. never would have expected. we're going to explain. i drove my first car from my parent's home in the south. i'll never forget. it used one tank of petrol and i had to refill it twice with oil. a new car today has 95% lower emissions than in 1970. exxonmobil is working to improve cars, liners of tires,
greta: well, it's funny how things change sometimes. remember when president obama said this. >> health care, people say, well, you have this great health care plan but how are you going to pass it? it failed in 1993. what i said i'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table, we'll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators and insurance companies, drug companies, they'll get a seat at the table and won't be able to buy every chair. but what we will do is we'll have the negotiations televised on c-span. so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents and who is -- who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or
the insurance companies. and when we are negotiating for that plan, we are going to have c-span on and you will see who's compromising the american people's interests. here's the only thing, though. i'm going to do it on c-span. we're going to do it publicly. but here's the difference. i'm going to do it all on c-span. greta: well, clearly, that didn't quite happen. karl rove joins us. karl, he didn't say it once. he said it -- i think we listed four, probably said it a few more times. and i gegs the polite thing is to -- i guess the polite thing is to say it didn't happen, it was a lie. >> i don't know if it was a lie. greta: what do you mean? no one wants to call things like it is. but this is so important to the american people. and with all due respect to both parties, we ought to be able to have it out in the open. >> look, he's obviously changed his mind about it. he said a lot of things during the campaign that have to do with health care that don't matter to him any longer. he said remember all that inspiring language about red state and blue state but we're nighted states and going to bring republicans and democrats
together. there's not been one substantive meeting on health care in the house, the senate, or at the white house, and which republicans have been given a seat at the table for substantive discussions. he might have brought them in once or twice to say i'm going to work hard on this issue but there's no substantive discussion, what do you want in here and how do we make it work? he ran television ads in battleground states, the second most widely displayed ad in the entire campaign, in which he called "government-run health care" extreme. so he said a lot of things in the campaign which he has changed his mind on and discarded. greta: and every administration, probably the one you worked in and every other one that's done that, but the thing that bothers me is when something is so profoundly important and what's wrong with transparency? when he promised it, and i don't know if -- changing your mind, i don't mind if you change your mind. facts change. >> i can explain it. greta: explain why we can't do it. and is it naivete or when he said it or -- >> i did think it was naive.
this is a very complicated undertaking. as we can see. we have a 2000-page bill with 70 new programs in it and 1,357 instances where the secretary of health and human services is directed to write rules so a big, complex deal. and you can't necessarily show it on c-span. greta: why? why not? >> because people will be preening for the cameras. greta: let them. we can make fun of them. we'll make fun of the ones that are preening and at least we can see what's going on. >> you know, look, i thought it was naive and not very smart to do it. but if you're sitting there in the back room, you do need the ability to say, for people to say mr. president, if you'll do this, we'll give way on that. and you put that on a television camera and people are going to be very loathe to do it. greta: see how the sausage is made? >> sausage is not -- greta: so get dumped on us, whether it's good or bad, and at the end. day, it gets dumped on us. >> it ought to be a process
where everyone has a seat at the table and the president listens to people and bring them together. in 2001, george w. bush bush add very indicated a big tax cut. -- advocated a big tax cut. he sat down with democrats and said what is it we need to do to make this more palatable for you? over the course of weeks and months they said slim it down from $1.7 -- to $1.3, dial it up a little bit here and dial it down a little bit there. and that's exactly what ended up happening. and as a result, a quarter of the democrats in the united states senate voted for the bush tax cuts in 2001. and it -- maybe that would have happened if there had been -- if it had been on television. but look, putting on c-span, what he originally talked about doing, would have probably hardened opposition and made it rather than having the give-and-take in private conversations. there ought to be more transparency but presidential leadership means what do we need to do to help you support this? greta: republicans said they
don't get a seat at the table. he doesn't name republicans. i talked to majority leader steny hoyer and said what are you talking about? of course they can. >> foolish. that's foolish. greta: both sides tell us completely different things. why we like the transparency. let us at least see who is and who isn't. >> the record shows it. let steny hoyer point to a single substantive meeting. greta: he sakes the party of no. >> no, it isn't. they're in favor of increasing the amount of money people can save tax free for out of pocket medical expenses, risk pools in the states and allow small businesses to join together to pool risk and have transportability of health insurance so people can take it from job to job. they want to have significant tax credit for people who are working. but don't have coverage. make too much to get it under medicaid. don't have enough from their employer to get it. and don't make enough to pay for it themselves. there are a bunch of things that republicans have talked about and medical liability reform. not a single one. things i've outlined that republicans have been advocating have the democrats sat down and said what's on your list and what can we put
in this bill? greta: that's why i like c-span, we get different stories told by different sides and love to see that. >> we have a chance for c-span to play a role and that's in committees and on the floor. house. and in the floor. mouse what is happened is speaker pelosi called for a closed rule which limits the number of amendments and the amount of discussion that can be. there was not -- they rolled that bill through the house of representatives with virtually no effort -- no attempt to make -- to give the republicans a shot to amend the bill. they said you got to come up with a vote to substitute and that's it. greta: all right. well, never dull. >> never dull. greta: karl, stand by. we're going to have much more with you in a moment. and coming up the new dynamic duo. president obama and ready for this? former governor sarah palin, really? those two together? we're going to explain in just a moment. plus the nice way to say is concussion but try this. brain injury and ready for more brain damage? what's going on in the nfl? two nfl legends are here to
speech. >> i liked what he said. in fact, some -- that really sounded familiar. because i talked in my book, too, about the fallen nature of man and why war is necessary at times. and history's lessons when it comes to knowing when it is that we engage in warfare and a couple of the other things he said were -- good. those are nice, a broad message, so broad that i just wrote about those. and a lot of americans right now are getting to read. my take on when war is necessary. greta: karl rove is back with us and karl, we always tease about the women talk behind the men's back and always laugh that the men, i said it first, right? i said it before you or i knew that first. we have a woman who is doing that, too. but nonetheless it's unusual. that she and president obama are on the same page on this. >> good. and i think president obama gave a good speech.
i think he was absolutely right in describing terrorism as evil. i think he was absolutely essential to say that it was in the security interests of the united states and the world to confront terrorism. and i thought it was a good speech. in fact, i jokingly said i thought mike rangersen, bill mcgirn and bill thiessen who had been president bush's speech writers had enough personal loyalty to 43 that they wouldn't accept jobs in the obama administration so quickly but they did. jokingly. greta: one of the things that's interesting is when we watched governor palin and people are saying, is she running, is she not running, and who knows what she's doing but the focus on 2010. you just written an op-ed -- or a piece in "the wall street journal." what's the story on 2010? >> first of all, i thought it was very smart for her to say my focus is not on 2012. it's on 2010. and everyone else who is thinking about 2012 listens to that. because republican candidates in 2012 will help themselves if they don't spend their time worrying about 2012 and instead
focus on 2010. if you go around the country helping candidates, you'll gain points. if you spend your time pinging between iowa and new hampshire, so it looks like all you're concerned about is yourself, you'll lose points among grassroots republicans around the country. so i thought it was a very smart move on her part. 2010, senate races will shape up early. governor's races will shape up a little bit later and house races shape up even after that. but because you're running it statewide and a senate race, that starts to sort of shape up earlier. and the republicans have had a stellar recruitment period. and i would not be surprised to see republicans pick up between four to six seats next year and could con receiveably pick up more. -- conceivably pick up more. they're leading in five states with a democratic incumbent. greta: where? >> connecticut is an example. where the republicans are in the front on that one. they're doing well in pennsylvania. they're doing well in the open democrat seat in illinois. they're doing well in the open biden seat in delaware. and the republicans are in the seats that they've -- they're
on the offense in places like colorado where they got a very popular lieutenant governor and a couple of other candidates running. and they're doing well. our -- blanche lincoln is behind state senator gilbert baker by six points. the republicans are showing an early strength that bodes well for the election next year. greta: which is important to the republican party based on the 60 votes in the u.s. senate. what about the house? how doings the house look? >> the house tends to shape up a little bit later but we've had some big news in the last couple of weeks. democrat congressman moore of kansas, he has a suburban red district that is -- kansas city suburbs, johnson county, kansas, announced his retirement. congressman tanner of tennessee, the founder of the blue dogs, a conservative west tennessee district, announced his retirement. and brian baird who represents a seat in the southwestern corner of washington state, one. more volatile and sort of -- it serves as a guide for what may happen. brian baird, a democrat, announced his retirement. this seat durk the 1990's if the republicans were in the asendcy they won it and in the
descendcy, the democrats won it. he got hammered in august over the tea parties. and he announced he would hold no more town hall meetings and he would only have these telephone calls where you could dial and listen to him talk but couldn't ask questions. as a result, he is -- he's retiring and this seat is up for grabs. this is an early indication that in particularly red district places, republicans are starting to have some mojo and democrats are starting to get worried. greta: let's say that you are a democrat in a red district. and you're really worried. let's say in the senate you're worried you'll lose your seat. if you vote for the health care bill. and really worried it will be taken out against you and you're up in november. does it ever happen that you go to the white house and you say look, if i lose my seat, can i be ambassador -- can i get an ambassadorship? any wheeling and dealing with the white house? >> i don't think so. but it clearly -- politicians like to have a second career. so i think that in some instances, it's the people who never ask who get those kind of rewards. if they stay there and loyal soldiers and fight hard for the
administration and do a good job and then get electoral defeat, there's a natural tendency by the administration to try and pick up a few of those -- greta: take care of them later. >> to send a signal, you stand strong, you do the right thing, you loyaly support the president and if bad things happen to you, we'll do what we can. greta: karl, thank you. >> thank you. greta: coming up, you get the real truth about a dangerous problem in the nfl. you know the word "concussion." a fancy way to say "brain injury." and maybe in some instances "brain damage." mike ditka and 11-time pro bowler rod woodson are here talking about the controversy that's gripping the nfl. the hottest tape and biggest headlines. a u.s. senator attacks rush limbaugh and rush fights back. a huge twist in the love life of governor mark sanford and the white house party crashers strike again. all that coming up.
he set a $500,000 salary cap for mid level executives at bailed out companies. the new rules apply to the 25th through 100 top earners at the firm but should the government have anything to do with it? steve moore is with "the wall street journal" editorial page. $500,000 looks pretty good to 98% of american people. >> it's not a whole lot of money. greta: it's a lot of money. >> the very top of their profession. here's an amazing thing. i've been reading this report. do you know what they call the pay czar? greta: rich guy? i don't know. >> special master for executive compensationses. special master? that's like somebody out of star wars. greta: don't get me started on how washington names things. please. >> i do not like these huge excessive salaries that are paid to wall street executives. when you talk about tens of millions of dollars, especially for companies that failed and lost money for shareholders. that's an abuse. greta: the men who fail upward? and it's not always men. >> and women. greta: i think the men are starter at trying --
>> $500,000 for an executive is not that much money. greta: you don't have to do the job. >> they can shop around. they can go anywhere. greta: go. >> but this only applies to seven companies. and we have to decide whether we want these companies to become profitable again. greta: there's a lack of brain trust? >> people go where they're highest paid and i have a problem with setting these executive salaries too low. why is the government even getting involved in it? greta: we bailed them out and it's our money. and i'm not saying -- if you took no government money, no taxpayer money, we have no business getting involved. >> but that's the next step here. there's no question that's what congress wants to do. greta: you're going down the road. i'm talking about what we have here. we have companies that took our money. and $500,000 is a lot of money. we're not forcing these people to keep these jobs at all. and i do not believe there's such a shortage of people who can hold these jobs. >> except here's the problem problem. we're talking about bringing new people to these companies. greta: that might be a good idea. >> but you aren't going to to
get the top talent. the new york yankees, why did they win the world series? they have the highest paid players. greta: look where the top talent as you call it has gotten us. >> all right. touche. greta: i might rather have the people who aren't the so-called top talent. let's get some practical people. i just -- look. >> think about, though, this in the context -- you're talking about bringing in to companies where you have literally thousands of employees, thousands of people whose lives r lives depend on these companies -- whose lives depend on these people and making billion dollar decisions. why not let them be paid -- especially with respect to compensation, if the companies perform. i'm with you if the companies don't perform. but where talking about going forward. greta: they didn't before. they wouldn't need our money if they performed. >> of course. those people should be -- give back what they got. what i'm talking about is the companies going forward, the new pupil coming in. -- people coming in. running these companies. $500,000 is not enough. greta: there are people who take these jobs who have a lot
of money for $1 a year and all sorts of executives to do that and i applaud them for doing that. when you have a company that's teetered on bankruptcy so bad and it's cost so many people jobs around this country who worked at the company or they've lost their savings, i don't see them as an incredible brain trust that we need to keep them by paying them a lot of money. $500,000 is a lot of money. and they are the ones who got us here to begin with. >> that's true. but who are the people who should be regulating pay? they should be the shareholders of the company and boards of directors. and what worries me is we're moving toward a model now where members of congress and people in the white house are going to be telling companies how much they can pay people. and you know that's the slippery slope, greta. you know it is. greta: it may be the slippery slope but these people don't have to take our money and don't have to worry about any of that. don't take our money. >> you and i would be in total agreement if we could build a firewall so this only applies to those companies that take government pailout money.
but i promise you this is what congress and the obama administration want to do next. anybody that makes over $500,000 they will put an consecutive tax on them. greta: we should pay them $5 00,000 to go. give them $500,000 to get out of here. >> well, these are important companies to america's future. and these are the major banks that make -- do we want the companies to succeed or fail? greta: i can't believe you are defending these people. >> i'm defending the american way that you get paid for performance. greta: and they have been paid handsomely for failure. we have to stop paying for failure. we agree on that. that's it? we got there? >> that's what -- the special master for executive compensation has told us. greta: so we're paying for failure? >> that we've been paying for failure and we have to have these salary caps. greta: i think $500,000 is a lot of money. >> that's what kobe bryant
makes for every game he's playing. greta: he's not failing. that's where you miss it. steve, thank you. >> thank you, greta. greta: an on the record case update. casey anthony's lawyers are trying to save her life. as you may remember casey is accused of murdering her 2-year-old daughter kaley. at a hearing today, the defense asked a judge to stop prosecutors from seeking the death penalty in the case of the mother. the prosecution made its case for the death, the family describing in great detail the brutal way calie was murdered. casey the mother was in court during the hearing and she sobbed as the prosecution spoke. we'll bring you the very latest on this story as we get it. and up next you be get the inside story on a dangerous problem in the nfl. concussions. also known as brain injuries. what's going on? two nfl legends are here. coach mike ditka and hall of famer rod woodson. and next, senator attacks rush limbaugh on the floor of the united states senate. and you know rush. he's fighting back.
people he said, " i have decided to take an indefinite break." they have been married five years. the u.s. has taken out a senior al qaeda operative with a missile strike in western pakistan. it is a drone attack. he was said to be responsible for terrorist operations outside of the afghanistan/pakistan region. it increase during the obama to lustration. we now head back to "on the record." greta: the fancy word is "concussion" but the reality is "brain injury." in some instances even brain damage. the injuries are real and dangerous problem in the nfl. this month, the nfl adopted tougher rules about players returning to play after getting clobbered in the head and suffering concussions. but is enough being done? two nfl legends are here. mike ditka is an nfl hall of
famer as a player and an espn nfl analyst. and the chairman of the gridiron greats assistance fund. ron woodson is an nfl network analyst and 2009 pro football hall of fame inductee. welcome to both of you and coach, it's always nice to see you back here and on the record. let's go straight to you, coach. how big of problem have the concussions been and has it been ignored for years? tragically ignored? >> i think people just consider it to be part of the game and if you had a concussion you came back and played. in the nold days it was nothing -- in the old days it was nothing. you -- they said two fingers and you said one you went back into the game and that's all there was to it. i think the league is trying to do the right thing. i think they do. they understand ths not a short-term thing. it's a long-term thing and it will affect these guys 20 and 30 years down the road. what we're finding out from players who played in my era who have gone through this very badly with all -- with alzheimer's and dementia. greta: how many concussions
have you had, ron? >> i've had five concussions in my time of playing. but i agree with coach ditka. i think they're doing the right things. because back when i played, you got a concussion, and i remember having a concussion in the first quarter of a game. went into halftime, my head cleared up. and i went back out and in the second half and i played. but that was the way it was. i think what they're trying to do now and i applaud the nfl for doing it now rather than never is they're they're saying we know there's effect to the memory of players from concussions. and it's program 88 or program 87 in for dementia for the nfl players. especially the retired players. so they're doing something rather than doing nothing at all. greta: rod, has the helmet changed at all? when you first started playing until when you ended your playing career, did it change at all to make that less of a problem or is that not really the issue at all? >> well, coach ditka, he played in -- his helmet was worse than mine but i played with the same
helmet, ridell, padded, but not where you could pump the foam in. i stayed with it. the bigger issue is we have seen that ben roethlisberger a couple of weeks ago, he got a concussion. the next week he was cleared to play but he chose not to play. and we seen hines ward came out and said basically we need our quarterback to be there and he let our team down against the baltimore ravens. they lost that game. but i think what the nfl is trying to do is get rid of that old mindset. and hines ward has the old mindset. ben has the new mindset. and they want that new mindset to come forward where if you feel that you have a problem, if you had blurred vision, memory loss, all the signs that they cannot see, you need to go out and tell them. i think they want the players to be proactive and go out there and tell them, the trainers and their doctors. and they can then really decide if you should play or not. greta: coach, rod raises an interesting issue. everybody in the game wants to win. it's a very competitive,
talented athletes and coaches. so almost a personal -- i would -- it would seem to me that people would be more inclined to do whatever they can to get back out and play. so there's a disincentive to sit on the bench. >> well, there's no question they want to play. and a macho image to football. coach lombardi said a long time ago that football is not a contact sport. he said dancing is a contact sport. he said football is a collision sport. and it is. and you're having these collisions with guys who are bigger, and they're moving at a high rate of speed. i don't care how much muscle you build or anything like that. the ligaments and tendons don't get any stronger. and the head certainly doesn't. and the helmet, you can say what you want to say. when i played we had a single bar on it and it was padded. it was not a weapon. it is a weapon now. and the league is doing the right thing. there's no question about it. the guys should not go in the game and it should be an independent doctor that's consulted. and you shouldn't play for a week week, probably. greta: i listen to rod who is
no longer playing but when you're 22 years old you think that you're invincible. that you're never going to be a 40-year-old man with the beginnings of as i'mer dementia. -- of as hiemer intentia. and they say it's not going to happen to me. >> and i think rod said it correctly. ben was criticized by some people. but really i think it was -- was applauded by people that he made the right decision. you got to look at the long-term consequences of going on and playing with these type of injuries. we've all done it. rod did it, i played a game, i don't remember a thing about the game until i saw the film. and still didn't remember. those things happen. but has it come back to haunt me yet? well, it probably will but it hasn't yet. but i'm just saying they're trying to do the right thing. police it. keep -- here's the other thing. they're going to have to make something -- some allotment for increasing the rochesterer. because they're going to have
to replace these players who are out two to three weeks with concussionings. greta: do you notice any residual at this point in your life from concussions? >> greta, i know i forget my keys a lot. greta: i do, too. and i didn't play football. >> that's the part of old age. what i would like to seeb in the national football league -- see in the national football league where they have to wear mouthgaurds on a consistent basis and have it in. i hated wearing a mouthguard because of the safety, i need to speak. i need to make checks and it's hard to breathe with. but it can protect the body. it can protect the mind from getting that jolt. and maybe the cushion that the brain needs at that point. i like to see that. i think that's a step of being a positive matter. but everything the nfl has done so far is telling these guys, wake up. we know there's some long-term effect to concussions and the brain. and players in the national football league. but go out there. and greta, you said a great thing. 22-year-old, and especially guys that are on the bubble, the guys that aren't the star players. if they tell the coaches they have a concussion, they can't
play for two or three weeks, do they get cut? and they're thinking about their paychecks so they're not going to tell anybody because they want to keep playing because they want that paycheck week in and week out. greta: rod, coach, thank you. always nice to see you. get back here and rod i hope you get back. >> all right. greta: the best of the rest. governor mark sanford's love life makes big headlines again. now what? find out next. plus the white house party crashers do not learn their lesson. we're going to sflain what we mean. -- to explain what we mean. if you save a dog's life and
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greta: you've seen our top stories but here is your favorite. the best of the rest. now apparently they accused white house party crashers tried to pull one over on somebody before. the couple once tried to settle a debt with a knockoff watch. listen to this. the crashers went to court over an outstanding payment of $2,000 they owed to a lawn mowing company. the couple turned over a high-end watch as payment. only problem, it was fake. a phony. only worth $100. are you surprised? we report, you decide. speaking of stories, that are not a big surprise, governor mark sanford's wife jenny has filed for divorce. as we're sure you remember, gotch sanford stunned the country when he -- governor
sanford stunned the country when he disappeared and was with his mistress. the governor's wife has had enough and has now filed for divorce. governor sanford issued a statement saying he takes full responsibility for his moral failure that led to the divorce. finally, yes, this is a great story. with a great ending. check out this video. an 8-year-old jack russell terrier got himself stuck inside a hole in a new york cemetery. fire crews were called to help. but guess who finally pulled the little pup to safety? roto rooter. the company is known for unclogging drains and those skills certainly came in handy. the dog just fine. and there you have it. the best of the rest. but still ahead, one last call, one more quick round before we turn off the lights. this one could get ugly. the u.s. senator, did he just have a bad idea? the senator attacked rush limbaugh but the radio powerhouse will not shy away from a fight as we know. rush lands a counterpunch next. and you can imagine rush does not hold back.
greta: 11:00 is almost here. do you really think this is a good idea, senator? you be the judge. senator sheldon white house hammered rush limbaugh on the floor of the united states senate. >> this is about creating a political defeat for the president of the united states on their side. nothing to do with health care. entirely about creating a defeat for this new president.
and when in the face of all the obstruction that distinguished senator from michigan describes so eloquently, this record breaking unprecedented in the history of the senate, obstruction that we're seeing, the person who i think right now seems to characterize the leadership of the radicalized right wing that is running the republican party, rush limbaugh , is telling the other side that they haven't been obstructive enough. greta: rush of course fights back. >> well, here's sheldon white house. notice, this new president, this new -- we -- politically defeat this new president. i don't care if he's new. i don't care if he's old. i don't care if he's black. i don't care if -- i don't care. all i care about is what he's trying to do to this country. and stopping it. so senator, you are exactly right. here's a question. i have a question for sheldon white house and his master, harry reid. why do you reject what the people are telling you?
why do you hate the american people? why do you hold the american people in contempt? why do you insist on enslaving us in some kind of government-run health system? when they're telling you loudly and repeatedly, they do not want this. greta: well, you can decide who won this round. that is your "last call." we are closing down shop. thanks nor being with us. we'll see you again on monday and go to the blue oval on gretawire.com. and that's the place where we all go and debate and talk before, during and after the show and how about those videos? have you been to the -- the videos we put up? there's a new feature. you can put videos up and still pictures. go to the brand new purple oval. all you got to do is email your video to email@example.com and go to gretawire.com and you'll be able to see it. the instructions are right there. there's lots to do and see on gretawire. you'll be there all weekend. fox neha